Hell, It's About Time! :)

[Snooze]

I'm surprised no one mentioned the soundtrack... it's awesome

[HasHasu]

Not to mention how OP Terran is right now. Medivac Marine rolls anything Zerg has to offer, and with the new nerfs on protoss terran mech does work on them too. As far as I'm concerned this is the build for terran: rock rock rock medivac marine/mass banshees.

Terran have been statistically the worst so far

[Cink]

Not to mention how OP Terran is right now. Medivac Marine rolls anything Zerg has to offer, and with the new nerfs on protoss terran mech does work on them too. As far as I'm concerned this is the build for terran: rock rock rock medivac marine/mass banshees.

Terran have been statistically the worst so far

They're bad against protoss for the most part if the protoss player is any good, but they're excellent against zerg from what I've seen or read. MnM is a no brainer now. It takes no skill macro or micro.

PvZ is really broken from what I've read as well. How have you been fairing with that? Also which ladder are you on? I've heard that some issues protoss players have been having against zerg is that it now takes 3 zealots to block a choke, the queens ability to quickly spawn more larvae, and the zerg's ability to change tech so quickly. Supposedly the zerg are basically given a FE versus protoss because the protoss player cannot get out enough zealots fast enough to counter the initial rush of zerglings. People have suggested walling off all but a small part of the choke to be held by a single zealot but even then the zerglings can just attack the buildings and if the zealot comes out to attack them they will just run past it into the base. And since the queen lets them build more lings faster they can keep up the push essentially containing the protoss player long enough to FE. Then they can switch techs to hydras or mutas very quickly and hold in the protoss for even longer while they gain map control. People have also suggested to add stalkers or sentries to the zealot and building wall but that requires getting up a core before the attack, which is all near impossible. What is your take on all this?

[HasHasu]

Not to mention how OP Terran is right now. Medivac Marine rolls anything Zerg has to offer, and with the new nerfs on protoss terran mech does work on them too. As far as I'm concerned this is the build for terran: rock rock rock medivac marine/mass banshees.

Terran have been statistically the worst so far

They're bad against protoss for the most part if the protoss player is any good, but they're excellent against zerg from what I've seen or read. MnM is a no brainer now. It takes no skill macro or micro.

PvZ is really broken from what I've read as well. How have you been fairing with that? Also which ladder are you on? I've heard that some issues protoss players have been having against zerg is that it now takes 3 zealots to block a choke, the queens ability to quickly spawn more larvae, and the zerg's ability to change tech so quickly. Supposedly the zerg are basically given a FE versus protoss because the protoss player cannot get out enough zealots fast enough to counter the initial rush of zerglings. People have suggested walling off all but a small part of the choke to be held by a single zealot but even then the zerglings can just attack the buildings and if the zealot comes out to attack them they will just run past it into the base. And since the queen lets them build more lings faster they can keep up the push essentially containing the protoss player long enough to FE. Then they can switch techs to hydras or mutas very quickly and hold in the protoss for even longer while they gain map control. People have also suggested to add stalkers or sentries to the zealot and building wall but that requires getting up a core before the attack, which is all near impossible. What is your take on all this?

I'm in the platinum league--was as high as #2 in my division at one point but haven't played ranked matches much lately.

No matchup seems broken at the moment. I've seen both claims of "PvZ is impossible to win" and "ZvP is impossible to win." Right now there is no established metagame and both races *seem* unstoppable from the perspective of certain BOs.

Protoss can block a choke with 1 zealot and a building.

Zerg FE is not free. In fact aggressive zealot play is almost guaranteed to stop it. However, aggressive zealot play is an auto-loss against any roach build. This is where the meta-game and BO losses come in. I play zerg and early lings don't really do much for me; it's straight to roaches or hydras.

ZvT has felt very easy for me so far, but like I said there's very little metagame right now so playstyle can have a big impact.

[Cink]

This is starting to get annoying, I get a different answer from everyone I talk to. I really hope I get into the beta soon so I can actually find out for myself haha
So do you find that all these hard counters detract from the game play the way they appear to do?

[HasHasu]

Yeah everyone seems to have their own opinion. Like I said there are tons of multiple contradicting claims that such and such is unstoppable.

As far as hard counters go, it's mostly just the immortal in my experience. A lot of other things are in the right place but then there's a few key units that flip everything upside down like how the immortal interracts with roach/ghost/tank.

[HasHasu]

Sounds like wave 2 of beta invites went out today! Check your battle.net accounts!

[SLOWPOKETAIL]

And along with the new wave of invites patch #3!!

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StarCraft II Beta - Patch 3 (version 0.5.0.14219B)

Balance Changes

TERRAN

Engineering Bay

Infantry Armor: The time required for each upgrade has been reduced by 30 seconds, decreasing each upgrade time from 190/220/250 seconds to 160/190/220 seconds.
Infantry Weapons: The time required for each upgrade has been reduced by 30 seconds, decreasing each upgrade time from 190/220/250 seconds to 160/190/220 seconds.

Armory

Vehicle Plating: The time required for each upgrade has been reduced by 30 seconds, decreasing each upgrade time from 190/220/250 seconds to 160/190/220 seconds.
Vehicle Weapons: The time required for each upgrade has been reduced by 30 seconds, decreasing each upgrade time from 190/220/250 seconds to 160/190/220 seconds.
Ship Plating: The time required for each upgrade has been reduced by 30 seconds, decreasing each upgrade time from 190/220/250 seconds to 160/190/220 seconds.
Ship Weapons: The time required for each upgrade has been reduced by 30 seconds, decreasing each upgrade time from 190/220/250 seconds to 160/190/220 seconds.

PROTOSS

Zealot

The maximum shield capacity of this unit has been decreased from 60 to 50.

Bug Fixes

Fixed a bug where the Infestor's Neural Parasite ability could cause Reapers to lose the ability to move.
Fixed an issue that could use an incorrect HDR format on some ATI cards.
Fixed a crash that could happen on some ATI cards.


[Snooze]

New AI has also been released, link can be found on Teknogods forum.

[HasHasu]

Has no one else seriously gotten in this week? Average users online is now up to 10k from 2k, and my brother got in. I've been under the impression this week that EVERYONE is getting in

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Has no one else seriously gotten in this week? Average users online is now up to 10k from 2k, and my brother got in. I've been under the impression this week that EVERYONE is getting in

Yeah, that's kinda what I thought, and then I didn't get it. Any idea how that feels?
Feels bad man.

[HasHasu]

Got an email from Blizz saying I can invite a friend

Slowpoketail did you get one of these too?

[wingnut]

If you need a place for your invite, I'd be interested in trying it. Always enjoyed starcraft.

[Boyne7]

oh m g, pick me!

[Jorgisven]

I don't have any Blizzard games (deleted WoW) so I won't get access - no battle.net account I think.

[SLOWPOKETAIL]

Got an email from Blizz saying I can invite a friend

Slowpoketail did you get one of these too?

Yeah I did, I hooked my friend menacing up with it, he said that the key came up as invalid. It's something Blizzard is working on fixing right now

[HasHasu]

Got an email from Blizz saying I can invite a friend

Slowpoketail did you get one of these too?

Yeah I did, I hooked my friend menacing up with it, he said that the key came up as invalid. It's something Blizzard is working on fixing right now

Yeah I've heard that's been happening a lot >.<

[Cink]

I hear a new wave of invites is coming soon. Its supposed to be a big one too.

[wingnut]

me me me